Sunday, October 23, 2011

A Blaffair To Rememblack



(My apologies for how crappy this video is. For whatever reason I can't get a better clip to imbed from southparkstudios.com. If you were annoyed and like links, click here).

Good advice, Brandon (and really, it's advice that we can apply to all genres). Yesterday I came to the decision that I wouldn't watch The Texas Chainsaw Massacre; I reminded myself that I don't want to spend the next week slightly freaked out. I still might see Halloween because the Michael Myers mythology/story interests me a tad. Seems that Lewton is a good place to start, though. I'll do that. Eventually the rest will follow. 'Tis the season after all; I can devote two weeks of the year to horror. And I'd like to participate in the horror discussion, but mostly I'll be standing in the background and making a lot of fart noises.

I've been meaning to watch Fritz Lang's M for the longest time. My senior seminar in college was on Vladimir Nobakov, and one day our professor played a few clips from M for us. I don't really remember why - I'm sure there's a connection, but my memory is crap and I've been feeling dumber and dumber since graduation...so if someone else can tell me why he did...

We also watched Kubrick's Lolita one day (for more obvious reasons). It was my favorite day of class, but then a few people in my seminar shit on the film because it "wasn't like the book." Assholes.

Shortly after I submitted my post yesterday, I turned on the TV and surfed past a movie being played as part of AMC's Fright Fest. I'm not sure what movie it was, but a black cat attacked a guy, jumped into his mouth and crawled down this throat and into his stomach. I was eating lunch at the time. You ruined my meal, crappy horror film!

Ben, I've also been wondering how faithful The Walking Dead TV series is to the comics. I'd check them out if my local library had them. And don't get me wrong, I didn't find the season 2 premier to be flawless. It didn't always work for me, but I found it to be better than the tail-end of the first season. Like Jeff, I haven't read City of Glass, but I'd be interested in checking it out. I'm currently not reading anything, and that needs to be remedied fast. I still need to watch the second season of Bored to Death - waitin' on Netflix.

Like Jeff: Part 2, I re-watched The Tree of Life. This time there were no funky smells or inconsiderate folks in the vicinity. And so, for those reasons (and more), I enjoyed it much more the second time around. The first viewing was definitely an emotional experience, but I actually teared up multiple times during the second viewing. The film communicates so effectively; each facial expression and/or line of voice-over somehow puts a million different thoughts and feelings into my head. It is certainly a experience you seldom get.

Jason, hopefully you're having a great time in France. And hopefully Midnight In Paris is playing in every theater over there for the rest of the year. All right, I admit that it's annoying that that film is doing so well that it's preventing other films from being shown...but not too much; the film is harmless, and as you all know, I like it. Anyways, I feel that it goes without saying that Back to the Future is better than Back to the Future II. It also goes without saying that using a sports almanac from the future to gamble with in the present is the real American dream. It was interesting to hear John's thoughts on BTTF 3, but at this point, I can't bring myself to watch it again.

Lisa, I'm with you on The Green Lantern. I haven't seen a second of it, but I know it would be a bad experience. John addressed the new Hulk - Ruffalo is one of my favorite actors, but yeah, he won't save that franchise. I rented the Eric Bana Hulk shortly after it came to DVD. I fell asleep while watching it. After I woke up, I had no interest in finishing it. As John said, "Incredible Hulk fans have been long-suffering."Agreed, Manhattan's fantastic, but what I'd really like every Woody Allen movie to be is Love and Death. I recommend it.

Saturday, October 22, 2011

"Don't worry, there aren't any ghouls here..."

Sounds like I missed out on a good time Thursday night. Maybe we can all meet up next Thursday or something?? If not Melancholia, I hope to be getting Attack the Block on Tuesday and maybe we could watch that. Also, as Jeff mentioned, I got the three-in-one copy of The Tree of Life, but I will never use the digital copy - anyone want it?

I'd be interested in seeing your top 50 horror list, Brandon, even though I haven't shown a lot of interest in the genre in past. I agree with John, but lately there's been a slight curiosity for me. Last year I watched The Excorcist and The Amityville Horror (the Brolin version) for the first time. This year I think I might try Halloween ('78) and The Texas Chainsaw Massacre ('74). I think I'd rather watch the originals than the remakes of most of these movies. Who knows, though, I'm a wimp. I plan on doing a horror post soon. I haven't seen anything close to 50 horror films, but I might write a bit on what I have seen and talk about the ones that have scared the hell out of me.

I also watched The Walking Dead ep. 201 based on what you wrote about it, Brandon. Well also, I had planned to catch-up on Boardwalk Empire, but our internet wasn't working, so it was zombies instead. I enjoyed the premier and it definitely reignited my interest in the show. When Carl attempted to pull the knives off of the body in the truck, I began to smirk at how caught-up in the tension I was. The "walkers" sequence you described was gripping and well-done. Agreed.

I see that the 14th season of The Simpsons is soon-to-be on sale for $35. I'd like to check those episodes out, but no way is that season worth that amount. Fox slipping thirty five dollars into each set and telling retailers to allow their patrons to steal them would make more sense to me. But when I was younger, I remember watching episodes that featured Duffman and Disco Stu and they made me laugh. I'm not sure which episodes those were, but they would've had to have been around the 14th season or so; those characters don't make a lot of appearances in 7-13. But also, my sense of humor has changed quite a bit in the last ten years, so I'll probably never like those characters/later episodes as much as I once did. This is also my subtle way of reminding John to post on season seven...shit, now it's less subtle.

Watched The Bridge of the River Kwai during the week. There isn't enough David Lean love in this club. No, I know you guys are big fans (you are, right?). Kwai works on all levels; I love the story and its themes. Genuine class.

Watched The Milky Way yesterday. And speaking of French filmmakers, I haven't seen any Truffaut, but I have plans to watch The 400 Blows soon. With Godard, I've seen Breathless, but at this point, even though it's "pommes et des oranges," give me Bunuel over Godard. This isn't to say that I dislike Godard, though.  

The Milky Way is one hell of a bold film; there's a scene in which a firing squad stands before the Pope. I loved this scene, not at all because of the violence, but because the scene is cut alongside another scene in which one of the main characters is watching a play in the park. After the shots go off, it cuts back to the main character in the park. A man standing next him says, "Did you hear that? It sounded like gunshots." To which the main character replies, "Yes, I was imagining the Pope was being shot." Hooray surrealism!

Saturday, October 15, 2011

Until John's Ready to Actually Debate...

I'm gonna be playing music videos from Batman soundtracks every hour on the hour until our demands are met...


Next up, Bone Thugs'N"Harmony feat. Snoop Dogg "Look Into My Eyes"

Your move, Owen...

EDIT: This has nothing to do with the debate, I just needed an excuse to post this video.

Driving In Cold Weather

First of all, I want to thank you, John, for giving me what I was looking for. This whole thing started simply because I was curious. I wasn't looking for John to change my mind (and knew that I would never change his), but I just wanted to know why John liked Cold Weather more than Drive. And John, as usual, gave me a great response that allowed for the debate floodgates to open. Well done; if you had asked me why I like Drive better than Cold Weather first, I would've just gone with, "Man smash head with foot. Man drive fast car."

Why I like Like Drive more than Cold Weather by Guy Blogger

To paraphrase a part of the Bujalski quote, "there isn't much of a point in making something that you've already seen. You make movies to do some different."

So that's Bujalski, not Katz, which is fine; Katz (like any filmmaker with a brain) would tell you the same thing. Yet aside from giving us mumblecore/noir, I don't feel as if Cold Weather gives us too much of what we haven't seen before. I can think of hundreds of movies that have achieved similar things; Cold Weather might do those things more effectively than others, but that doesn't change the fact that it's been done. And again, I say that as something of a fan. The movie certainly builds on the mumblecore movement, but it doesn't necessarily build on film in general.

I also want to expound on something I said in my first Cold Weather post - which is that it feels like it was based on a novel. And again, in this non-existent novel, there's room for further character development and just more examples of the scenes that make the movie interesting. I truly feel that the Cold Weather novel would be more effective than the film. Drive, on the other hand, is actually based on a book. I haven't read one sentence from it, but I guarantee that it isn't as effective as the film. And sure, they're different mediums and aren't capable of achieving a lot of the same things. But the point remains that Drive is better cinema, in my mind.

I hold Refn in high-esteem because I feel he builds his scenes in a visually dynamic and memorable way. Give me the shot of the Driver walking up to Nino's restaurant in his stunt mask any day over reading the description in the book (if that even happens in the novel).

John made the point that he feels as if Cold Weather is more ubiquitous than Drive...in that the former is more than just a film (it's life and existence) and the latter is as mechanical as the Chevy Impala Gosling drives in the film. I almost feel like ubiquity (or, maybe more accurately, relatability) is overrated in every medium. Sure Gail and Doug's relationship might make me think of my own strong connections with siblings or friends...but to quote John Owen - "so what?"

Switching to another medium - with music, a lot of people only like songs/bands that validate who they are, what they're thinking, or what they're going through at the time. And while that isn't necessarily a bad thing, it should never be the sole reason for listening to music. That can be just as superficial. But come on, people, we also need an interesting melody, a guitar riff we haven't heard before, or a powerful drum beat, etc. Cold Weather's lyrics might be familiar and validating, but the music is a little on the generic side.

And with Drive, I do see a lot of emotion and heart. The Driver shares strong bonds with Shannon, Irene, and her son. They might not be the most developed, but the Driver would do anything to protect Irene and Benicio.  Some of Drive's greatest moments aren't the violent scenes that seem to dominate most of the talk surrounding the film, but the scenes in which Gosling and Carey Mulligan only seem to stare at one another, or when he takes Irene and Benecio for a drive. It could appear superficial (Mulligan's lonely because her husband's in prison...and then she meets a cute guy who lives in her building) but there is a refreshing purity to it and there's even some growth. I refer to the end of the elevator scene...that great moment when Irene gives him a look that says, "what the hell was that?" Their relationship has changed forever.

And sure Cold Weather might do relationships better than Drive, but I still fail to see it beating it in any other category. Drive offers so much more for me.

To Ben, I think you're right that Katz isn't looking to tie things together nicely, (I don't always want that in my pictures either) and maybe he isn't so concerned with an overall focus, but he does have one and every good story needs something resembling one in order to be effective. The focus is Doug and Gail. They grew up together and were once very close, but then they started their own separate lives around graduation and spent time in different cities. Now they're living together again and even working together to solve this mystery. Gail becomes his Watson, his sidekick....but more than that, she is someone who he can trust and  I think the last scene where they're listening to music together is one of my favorites from the film. There is a definite connection (connecting audience to characters) in that moment and it is very genuine and real. Then there are the moments of high tension - the restaurant scene and Doug going to bring the get-away car around. It certainly isn't without its merits.

Again, I can understand why Ben and John are trumpeting Cold Weather, and I know deep-down John understands why we're trumpeting Drive. There's definitely a mutual respect, but yeah, doesn't mean we can't argue about this shtuff.

Friday, October 14, 2011

A Simpsons Discussion (Part 1 of our 434 Part Series)

"I'm an Amendment To Be" video is supposed to be here. Stupid copyright laws.

Sorry non-Simpsons nerds and anti-tv folk. Yo, Jeff...time for you to start posting your rankings on your own blog.

The Day the Violence Died is a classic due to that School House Rock Parody - I especially love how right-wing it is. Pretty silly. I assumed it would be near the top of your list because there's a lot of history to it - Itchy & Scratchy history, cartoon/film history, etc. and also Kirk Douglas does a phenomenal job as Chester J. Lampwick. I think I remember watching this when it aired for the first time, but yeah, with me being near the age of 25, it's tough to say whether or not I remember the premier or the syndicated version. You're a lucky old man, John. I do remember live episodes from season 8, though - The Springfield Files, specifically.

Jeff and I used to disagree quite a bit on Bart Sells His Soul - with me liking it more than him. Even though we know I'm not very spiritual and I don't buy into souls, this episode is very sweet and heartfelt (like most of the great episodes this season). The B-story with Uncle Moe's Family Feedback is hilarious. "You drew the stink lines and everything." A nice pick, but I find better jokes and heartwarming moments in Home Sweet Homediddly...

It's pretty awesome that the three of us have the same picks at the two and three spots. Jeff and I have watched King-Size Homer so many times and it still makes us laugh uncontrollably. Our two favorite jokes from that ep. - Jimbo:"I heard that guy's ass has its own congressman." and Movie Theater Owner: "Sir, if you'd just quiet down, I'd be happy to treat you to a garbage bag full of popcorn." It's hard to believe that it took them seven seasons to use this storyline. Homer gaining weight to go on disability is just a perfect concept.

Lisa the Vegetarian also makes so much sense that it's surprising they didn't write it sooner. Homer/Lisa episodes are usually always phenomenal. No exception here; the "veggie-back ride" ending is very touching. And we also have another Beatle episode (too bad we never had the chance to see a John Lennon episode). "Come to Homer's BBBQ - the extra B is for BYOBB."

Lisa the Iconoclast - like the Day the Violence Died - is also memorable for its history. John Swartzwelder wrote a lot of great episodes that developed the world of The Simpsons. Homer as town crier - ye-yeah!

Raging Abe Simpson has some beautiful animation; a very cinematic episode.

I'd be interested to hear why Summer of 4 ft. 2 is at the bottom of your list, John. I was probably too hard on the Treehouse of Horror episode, but I hate the first act so much. That Paul Anka jingle has one of the worst melodies I've ever heard. The computer animation looks really cool in the third act, but otherwise the episode is pretty forgettable. This is the also the first bad TOH ep.

Team Homer is another one that we've seen a million times. I expected it to be a bit higher on your list. I love it more for its jokes than its story, though. "The all ighty ollar. Ha ha ha, I get it."

Last thing that I want to praise...Stop the Planet of the Apes, I want to Get Off! Brilliant. All right...that video needs to be posted as well...


What do you think, gents?

Thursday, October 13, 2011

Bored To Death


I'm not too familiar with mumblecore; if I do a run-down of the "list of mumblecore films" on Wikipedia, I've only seen two (Greenberg and Cyrus). I've wanted to see Tiny Furniture for the past year or so, but the disc currently sits in my "saved" queue, and who knows when Netflix will ever get it.

Anyway...I really don't prefer this genre, but I don't hate it either and will mostly be willing to check it out.

I read an old(ish) post of John's saying that he was really excited to see Cold Weather because of the mumblecore/noir connection. I do think it was a nice blend, and the mystery aspect of the script really helps this movie out and will probably help the genre in the long run. There are some really nice tension scenes in this film. At times, you almost don't know what to expect. When Doug leaves the restaurant to grab the get-away car while Gail plans to steal to briefcase, I almost expected Doug to be too late bringing the car around. I kinda expected him to show up and find her in danger or hurt.

But I wonder now if mumblecore is also supposed to be very grounded and realistic. Was it ever possible for anyone in the movie to be hurt? Maybe not. Maybe Gail was always supposed to get out safely.

This movie reminded me of both the HBO series Bored to Death (hence my title) and of David Lynch. Doug, like Johnathan Ames (the character) fantasizes about being a detective; the difference, of course, is that Doug actually has more of a background in the field. And I thought Gail/Trieste Dunn looked familiar - she was actually in an episode of BTD. Doug wants to play out the fantasy of being a Sherlock Holmes-esque detective because it's a dream of his and also because he is kinda bored.

And with Lynch, this is a little bit up his alley because it involves dangerous happenings in a small town. While Portland's not exactly a small town, there are definite small-town vibes in this movie and then you mix-in potential kidnapping/missing persons, fake identities, erotica, etc.

But I definitely agree with Ben when he writes, "In the end COLD WEATHER is a movie about Doug and Gail's relationship. The mystery /thriller aspect is actually the subplot disguised as the main plot." That's why you have the film ending the way it does. The mystery provides the opportunity for brother and sister to bond again. I enjoyed the scenes with Doug and Gail - especially when they are staking out Jim Warden's place and she tells him about the last guy she dated. And the post-getaway when they're listening to the mix tapes. That relationship works well in the film, but I also feel as if there isn't enough there.

I know it wasn't, but this movie feels like it was based on a novel. And in the novel, there are so many more details and scenes that fully give the Doug/Gail relationship its due. I'm not suggesting that Katz should've beaten that drum to death, but I feel like the story/message overall lacks focus, or, more accurately, doesn't reach its full potential. And I know we're going to be different and rate some films higher than others, but John, I don't yet understand why you liked Cold Weather more than Drive. I feel like then years from now we'll still be talking about Drive, but very little will be said of Cold Weather. Who wants to go out their way to prove me wrong?

I did not have a problem with the pacing; the slow build-up worked quite well, actually. All of a sudden we're hit with a potential kidnapping - nice. And with the scenes where Doug forgets to grab the tobacco, I enjoyed that as well; the movie has quite a few comical moments thanks to Doug. Cris Lankenau does a nice job with the subtle humor.

But so overall I definitely enjoyed Cold Weather, but like with Greenberg and Cyrus, when it was over I mostly reacted with a "meh." But feel free to tell me why I'm wrong, guys.

John, early guess for your top episode of The Simpsons season 7: The Day the Violence Died. Not sure why, just going with it. Can't wait to see the list.

You're right on the performances in Jane Eyre - they don't vastly improve the film or anything. Again, I'm probably still too nice to a lot of movies (not that Jane Eyre was bad, in my mind). I hope to write more on Meek's Cutoff, so maybe I will in the next week or so. Glad to hear your thoughts on both Rope and Wings of Desire - definitely agree.

I watched Born Yesterday today - found it to be very charming and humorous...and like Mr. Smith Goes to Washington, patriotic. "Let the eagle soar..."

Tuesday, October 11, 2011

Bring On the Lucie

Summer People got me sick; I have a cold. No one told me there would be side-effects to the "Play Spin the Bottle with the Band" sweepstakes. Worth it, though. Especially since Summer People and Hotchacha were both a hell of a lot of fun to watch. And I was also treated to a John Owen cameo. Nice to see John, Brandon, and the band again.

But because I'm home sick, this will give me the opportunity to watch Cold Weather, which I think I'll do in a little bit. Then maybe a post on it tonight or tomorrow night, but don't hold me to that.

Eagerly awaiting both the Melancholia and Take Shelter events. Yeah, I have to say next Thursday would work a lot better for us, but Jeff and I will see what we can do for Monday. Until then, it will be tough to avoid the majority of Ben's post on the former.

SPOILERS BELOW(but none in the opening statements of each paragraph)

John, I also saw Jane Eyre recently but didn't hate it as much as you did. I did like it, but there's definitely something missing. I'm not sure if you read the novel - probably not. I haven't read it and so that probably helped toward giving me a mostly favorable impression. Jeff told me about a scene in the book that wasn't in the film; he said that Rochester's wife sneaks into Jane's room one night and begins to tear at her wedding dress. Cool and spooky - had that scene been added, I feel like it would've really helped the story. At times it plays like a haunted house film, but never fully commits. Maybe that would've involved changing the story too much. I don't really dig on gothic romanticism or Victorian Lit., but I actually liked the story. It was familiar, sure, but I gotta say that I liked it. Probably I'm not opinionated enough, yet...because if I take certain issue with a film, it shouldn't be considered good. I don't know. A shout-out to Michael Fassbender as Rochester. He had a nice intensity, and at times seemed a little mad. I like everything I've seen him in so far.

I also watched Meek's Cutoff. The reason why I haven't posted on it was because I haven't gotten around to that or around to reading your guys' thoughts. Another favorable review, though. I think at this point, I definitely put it above Jane Eyre. Of course I can't talk about it without addressing the ending: I loved it and I wished I had seen it with everyone so that I could've heard the groans in the theater. Probably would've made me really love it. I don't know - expect it in my top ten rankings, or maybe I will just write something longer here soon.

Still watching the Hitchcock films I hadn't seen before. I watched Rope and it's become an instant favorite of mine. Like Dial 'M' for Murder, it's very much a play and I'm a big dialogue guy, so there's a lot of love here. John Dall's performance as Brandon was a fascinating one. The film also produces a lovely debate that never lost my attention.

Wings of Desire - very well done. Time to get my City of Angels on and start playing Goo Goo Dolls again. But back to being serious, Wim Wenders - fantastic job. And Peter Faulk playing himself - hell yeah. A great movie.

Watched some Bogie - To Have and To Have Not and The Caine Mutiny. With the former, I now fully understand why Brandon is such a big Hawks fan; very effective storytelling and flawless direction. With the latter, it was great to see Bogart playing something of a villain. Although, the ending does allow you to garner some sympathy for him. Jeff and I talked about that last scene, and we differed a bit. I think I'm in favor of it because I also felt bad for Capt. Queeg when he was too afraid to take charge during the storm. You do need a competent leader in that situation, but clearly the guy isn't a real villain, he just has a lot of fear and insecurity. Also, Robert Francis was way too stiff for this movie; sure he may have looked the part as Ensign Keith, but I loathed the performance.

Watched the Welsh/English film Submarine. I guess we would categorize this as mumblecore, so it's probably not every one's cup of tea. A year ago when it was released in the UK, I had heard good things and people were saying it was one of the best comedies. For that reason, my anticipation was at about a 7 out of 10 and I put it on my queue. I did this without seeing any clips or trailers. I did, however, catch the trailer the day before I watched it. The trailer definitely filled me with some regret; essentially it looked like a UK version of a Wes Anderson/Noah Baumbach film. Unlike John and Brandon, who each hate one of the two, I love both of those guys....but I didn't want to see a simple rip-off. I also feared it would be too cute and obvious. After having watched it, I feel indifferent; it wasn't as bad as I thought it would be...but there are definitely moments where it tries too hard to be cute/funny. It does have some pleasant moments, though, and sometimes it reminded me of simpler days of young love and childhood. It isn't without its charms, but mostly thumbs neither up nor down.

Oh, and John, Attack the Block is coming to Netflix on October 25th. Maybe that doesn't help you. I have it on the top of my queue and have heard nothing but good reviews...which makes me think I won't like it. But it sounds damn interesting.

Television...

Breaking Bad(ass) - SPOILERS

One hell of a finale. Thank you, Vince Gilligan. Gus' death was done very well; loved every second of it...especially the decision to have him walk out initially unscathed, and then jut that fantastic pan (I could watch it over and over). Agree with everything John and Jeff said; love John's comments on Hector's bell. It just makes the scene so iconic. And is the show setting us up for one last show-down: Jesse vs. Walt? Wow, really nice find on that photo comparison, John.

More AMC - I'm not sure if I'll watch season 2 of The Walking Dead. I mean, I probably will eventually, but there are better shows out there that are higher up on my priority list. Hell On Wheels looks intriguing...but I'm still not completely sold. Thus far AMC hasn't steered me wrong (note: didn't catch The Killing).

I need to watch episode two of Boardwalk Empire (the premier was great).  Same with Dexter. Mostly I really liked that premier....SPOILERS...except for the storyline of Quinn proposing to Deb. Makes me want to punch myself. Bring back Doakes! Bring back Doakes!

I've only seen the first season of Bored to Death. I wasn't crazy about it, but I do want to see season 2 now that it's on Netflix.

ABC Family's The Lying Game

Only kidding. I caught my Dad watching this show a few weeks ago. Okay, "caught" is the wrong word; that would suggest that he was doing it in clandestine. This was not the case. For shame, Dad. For shame.

Tuesday, October 4, 2011

The Simpsons Episode Rankings: Season 7


Am I crazy for saying that I like season 7 more than season 6? Maybe to some, but I feel pretty confident in that stance right now. And that isn't to say that season 7 is necessarily funnier, but the overall "feel" of 7 is just more enjoyable. When Bill Oakley and Josh Weinstein took over as showrunners, they said that they wanted to bring the show back to the family (essentially giving us episodes that felt more like season 3 than a continuation of 6), and in my opinion they succeeded. Look no further than the top episode on my list - it's both hilarious & heartfelt, and one of the best family-centric episodes in the show's entire history.

Having said all that, like season 6, there are episodes on this list that I'm not particularly fond of. These episodes are nowhere near as bad as the new episodes of the show or even anything resembling episodes from the eleventh season. But still, I can't say that I love each and every episode this season, and it's really just the bottom three that I'm referring to.

1. Home Sweet Homediddly-Dum-Doodily
2. King-Size Homer
3. Lisa the Vegetarian
4. Team Homer
5. Lisa the Iconoclast
6. Scenes from the Class Struggle in Springfield
7. Marge Be Not Proud
8. Bart Sells His Soul
9. Summer of 4 ft. 2
10. A Fish Called Selma
11. Raging Abe Simpson and his Grumbling Grandson in 'The Curse of the Flying Hellfish'
12. Who Shot Mr. Burns? Part 2
13. Bart the Fink
14. Homerpalooza
15. Radioactive Man
16. Mother Simpson
17. The Day the Violence Died
18. 22 Short Films About Springfield
19. The Simpsons 138th Episode Spectacular
20. Two Bad Neighbors
21. Sideshow Bob's Last Gleaming
22. Homer the Smithers
23. Much Apu About Nothing
24. Bart on the Road
25. Treehouse of Horror VI

*John, I considered commenting on each individual episode, but then I thought it would probably be better to get a mini-discussion going on the major differences in our lists or just what we liked or hated about certain episodes. Something like that. Also, Jeff and I definitely want to see Take Shelter so hopefully we can work that out someway.